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• 2007 Wikipedia Selection release! Download the file directly from the server, and then seed using the torrent (to come).

Archives[edit]

Seeding[edit]

I can seed the torrents from several dedicated servers 24/7 with a 100mbit connection.. If anybody would be so kind to tell me where I can get all the Wikipedia torrents? Sorry for posting anonoymous, but I cannot login here at the moment. I will sign with my own username here later. (I'm on a school computer at the moment) EDIT: I know there's a download link on this discussion page, but I'm not sure whether there are any more Wikipedia torrents circulating, besides this one.213.126.131.130 (talk) 08:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Meeting[edit]

Does anyone feel the need to have a meeting about this project through irc. I wouldn't mind talking for a meeting, err typing. I thought we could use the wikipedia 1.0 channel. Its on the Version 1.0 editorial team. I'm there right now, until they kick me off. I am 'nominaladversary' Nominaladversary 04:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

That's at Channel: #wikipedia-1.0. Walkerma 06:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Version 0.5 update[edit]

Just thought I'd keep you abreast of developments at Wikipedia:Version 0.5. Linterweb, a French company, is planning to release 2000-10000 CDs during January. It was delayed a little in order to hire a developer, but he has now started work. The CD will include a search engine and a set of navigational pages (some of these are ready). I believe everything (including the software) will be available for the free download under GFDL. Will you be able to set up for a January release via the BitTorrent network? Thanks, and Happy New Year, Walkerma 05:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

ER, the software will be GFDL? Was that a mis-statement on your part or are they really going to release software under a license written specifically for software documentation? — 19:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that's probably my mistake (I don't really follow the copyright laws very well), but my understanding is that the software can be freely included with the distribution. I'll check up on the details. Walkerma 06:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, just making sure. GPL is probably the appropriate license for the software itself. — 16:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's GPL, I confirmed it. Walkerma 19:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Linterweb isn't going to bundle anything are they?

Sorry, for not answering your inquiries, yes we can get started on the 0.5 release right away. And thank you for the update as well as the good news of the CD release.Nominaladversary 23:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The release is being held up at the moment (things beyond our control), but we are getting closer to publication. We will be able to include the reader in with the download, as far as I understand - that was a big reason for working with a small French software company. I'd guess now at a February CD release (with downloading available shortly afterwards), but I can't be sure. I'll let people here know as soon as we are ready. Walkerma 04:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The release is tentatively scheduled for March 26. I'll try to keep you posted with download information. Walkerma 06:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

(unindent)I'm still very ichy to get a torrent going for it ASAP or exactly on the date (now April 3rd?) so that if the site gets slammed by digg or something it'll still have a solid download link. while leeching/seeding is not new to me, actually establishing a torrent is; is this ready to go or is there anyway i can help? JoeSmack^Talk 20:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Contact User:Kelson - he is organising the start of seeding, I believe. He understands English well. He did the image files, dumps and cleanup of Version 0.5 for us, and I think may even have a server he is getting ready for Torrent. You're right, it is most likely Tuesday, April 3rd before we can start. Thanks, Walkerma 03:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

(his reply from here). Hi Joe, Linterweb will provide the v0.5 iso over HTTP or FTP, and searchs good mirrors over the world to enforce the network architecture. So you will be free to download the iso just after the release.. for this reason I think it will be easy for you to start to share it quickly over BT. Best regards. Kelson 31 mars 2007 à 21:10 (CEST)

It looks like it will be up to us to set up a torrent. JoeSmack^Talk 17:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Well then lets get started, trackers? Nominaladversary 23:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Here we go, download links. I'm thinking mininova for the seed? Lots of options though. JoeSmack^Talk 20:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, we'll need to update the front page, but first lets make the subpage with all of the info, and check up on the torrent. I'm downloading the files, and will make multiple torrents to see which trackers work. If you guys have any torrents that are perfect, post them.Nominaladversary 00:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

First attempt, 1 tracker (bz2 and the non compressed iso I'll try to leave azureus on all night. Nominaladversary 02:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

First attempt update: Well, we have about 2-3 different uploaders and about 9 different leechers. Both torrents are working at my end. Both torrents are at thepiratebay as well. here and here. If anyone has an ED2K client, he/she is already providing support for the release on the ed2k network. Albeit all intentions are good, the BitTorrent side of the release is more important. If you have both types of clients open, well even better. Nominaladversary 13:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe User:X1987x uploaded the other torrent slightly earlier. The date on it is a month in advance (on accident), but it has seeds. There is a little more info on my and his talk page, but im a little more for the one with better info. I'll try seeding both until we decide what to do. JoeSmack^Talk 04:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

For info, just add a comment on the corresponding page at TPB. I don't know what to do yet, there isn't a serious demand for any of the projects, although I'm sure the 2007 release will. I'm having problems connecting to mldonkey using Azureus. When I use BitTorrent nothing even happens. But I can connect to uTorrent, Azurues, mainline, and bitlord fine. Nominaladversary 21:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

When 0.5 gets released[edit]

Will the members of this project get notified before the torrent is made public so we have time to download the CD before everyone else, or will we just join the swarm and hope for the best? I think we should get notified, because that should increase the download speed for everyone.

A possible way to do this would be to create a torrent which is made available to us, but not any major torrent indexes. After we've all downloaded the files, we can submit the torrent to the index sites. Ultra-Loser^{[ T ] [ C ]} 04:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

eMule Notes[edit]

It just occurred to me that eMule distribution could actually come to a standstill even if 20 people were uploading a wikipedia file. I don't know where this would go, and I'm positive distribution over the ED2K network will never stop for us, but there is a situation. In eMule, you can be firewalled, or some random NAT problem--which usually stems from having a router. IF every person were to have this problem, who wanted a wikipedia file, no one would ever connect to anyone for the file. Note: This is just for eMule.

Let me explain, when you're firewalled in a Bit torrent client, your downloads will be slower than someone's who isn't firewalled, but you will still receive files. On the ED2K network, if you're firewalled, you are given a 'Low ID' status, and if you're not, you're given a 'High ID'. Now here is the problem: Low ID's can not connect to other Low ID's, only to High ID's. High ID's can connect to whomever they want to. Now with eMule, there are two networks you are connected to, the KAD network and the ED2K. Here is when you are Firewalled for the KAD network, when this happens, the globe at the bottom right will have a yellow arrow corresponding to the KAD network and the connection info will tell you that you are firewalled. Now, with the ED2K network, when you are firewalled, you will be labeled 'Low ID' and firewalled, and the globe arrow which corresponds to the ED2K network will be yellow. When you are downloading, the uploader you are downloading from will see a (Low ID) status next to your wait time. IF you are a High ID person, then there will be no status. Finally, when you are High ID and not firewalled/have a NAT problem, then the yellow arrows will become Blu-ish/Green-ish. Even if you're firewalled, it will still say you're connected next to the globe--because you are. Here is a perfect situation.

Sorry for the image quality, google doesn't like png so it converts them to a terrible jpg compressed picture. Nominaladversary 22:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Questions? I might need to explain again.

Status[edit]

I'm guessing this is how the torrent project will be. We have seeders for the files on the BitTorrent side and Uploaders on the ED2K side. We're dormant and running..until a situation arises, which hopefully won't happen until the next release. Everyone who uploads/seeds uses plenty of bandwith up, so thanks for that. Nominaladversary 02:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Update - the BitTorrent Inc. site doesn't seem to have our torrent any more, all off Trapper's stuff isn't there..which site should we make the main torrent download? Nominaladversary 03:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Release Version 0.5[edit]

• Name: Wikipedia Release Version 0.5
• Other Names: WPRV 0.5, WPCD 0.5, Wikipedia CD 0.5
• Unpacked Size: 431944 KB (ISO), 279923 KB (bz2)
• File Size: 421.82 MB (ISO), 273.36 MB (bz2)
• Format: ISO - Can be mounted using Daemon tools or burned to a CD-Rom. bz2 - File needs to be extracted using WinRar and then burned or mounted.
• Torrent Downloads: Nominaladversary; The Pirate Bay (ISO), Nominaladversary; The Pirate Bay (bz2)
• Trackers: http://vip.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announce (Working)
• ED2K Status: Files not available

Update - the official free download is available here. You can also buy a copy for around US$15! Walkerma 20:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

ThePirateBay has a new tracker -- they don't want torrents with their current listed tracker. Here is the new one: http://vip.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announceNominaladversary 02:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Additional info added. Nominaladversary 15:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

New sub-project page made. Here, or just check on the front torrent page.

wpcd 1.0[edit]

Does anyone even download the CD using a torrent? I don't even think the tracker for the torrent works. Nominaladversary 19:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd say there is about 20 sources on emule, but no idea how much each of those sources have. Nominaladversary 21:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I think we should stop Torrent support for this, it is extremely outdated, the torrent has a number of problems with it, and I don't think anyone wants it. Also, there is an update to this CD. Nominaladversary 17:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

2007 Wikipedia selection[edit]

Two versions available: 4G with full size images, 1G with only the thumbnails. Browsable at http://schools-wikipedia.org Generally it is tons better than the last one. Please could someone tell me where to upload the files so you can torrent them? We've only got 500G bandwidth on our website so probably will only offer the 1G one. --BozMotalk 10:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Dropped a note on your talk page. Nominaladversary 20:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

A quick request - please make sure that when naming and documenting this, you make it clear that this is a different release from Version 0.5. I can see people getting them mixed up, especially since they came out only about six weeks apart. This looks like a nice release! Walkerma 02:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and there are a number of things we can do help clarify the release. On each torrent dumpsite, where one would get the torrent, we can include the description of the 2007 Wikipedia Selection, and show the difference between the 0.5 version; put a comment on the torrent file itself; and perhaps the most useful, include a short .txt file along with the release file. Also on any news site, digg, slashdot, etc. there should be an appropriate description as well. Nominaladversary 17:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

FYI, the key differences are (a) 2007 Selection contains virtually all of V0.5, plus many more (~2500?) articles not in V0.5, (b) it has been screened to be kid-friendly and (c) it does not include the Kiwix search engine. Walkerma 17:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, we'll be sure to include those in our description. Nominaladversary 20:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

For the 2007 Wikipedia Selection torrent page, this is what we're looking at. Please make changes as necessary. Also we need to provide the right info at each torrent dump site that the torrent is uploaded to.

• 2007 Wikipedia Selection
• Everything you need to know about the 2007 Wikipedia Selection. Unpacked Size: N/A
• schools-wikipedia-full.zip
• The 2007 Wikipedia Selection is an update to the previous 2006 Release.
• File Size:2.47 GB
• Format: .Zip -- Needs to be decompressed with Winzip or other file decompression utilities.
• Other Names:
  • 2007 Wikipedia Selection
  • schools-wikipedia-full
• Torrent Download Locations:
  • Main Download Link - Direct Link
  • Nominaladversary - Direct Link
  • The Pirate Bay - Info Page
  • Mininova - Info Page
  • Torrentspy - Info Page
  • Others?
• Trackers
• Azureus Magnet Link:

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:RM3P7JSGXQCJ4ZLYMW6UXQW5TEGBTNIM

• eMule Link

Nominaladversary 20:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

We need people to seed this! I don't how we're gonna go about the file. In my opinion the best way to get seeders, is for everyone to download the file separately from the main server, rather then using the torrent that is up. Then after the file has been downloaded, download the torrent to help seed. Nominaladversary 20:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Volunteer[edit]

This lazy wikipedean volunteers his efforts. If there is a better page to list your interest, let me know. Mathiastck 06:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

no one else responded to this so I'm going to say, What? Nominaladversary 21:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Our Very Own Tracker[edit]

I have acquired a tracker for all of our projects using torrents. The tracker, has 99& guarantee uptime and we will use it for all future torrents, including the torrent release of the 2007 Wikipedia CD Release. Of course, every torrent has to be registered so we don't have random people abusing the tracker--which is the reason why I am not posting the announce URL here. Many thanks to my friend who set it up for me. Nominaladversary 17:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Kick ass! Is it reliable/stable/etc for our purposes - can it handle a slashdotting? JoeSmack^Talk 17:31, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Haha, we will be good even if there are over 10000 seeders and leechers. We tested the wpcd 0.5.bz2 and that worked great. It'll handle pretty much anything. Nominaladversary 17:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Tracker dead[edit]

For me, the BT tracker for '2007 Wikipedia CD Selection' is dead.. my mirroring stopped in the middle of the file. :( Kelson 17:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm still uploading..try updating the tracker manually or restarting your client. JoeSmack^Talk 17:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

99.9% up time..just unlucky I guess. It's a tracker nothing we can do if it decides to fall asleep once in a while. It's never gone out for me though. Nominaladversary 03:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Thx, it seems to work fine now. I was simply downloading the 2006 zip :(.. sorry. Kelson 10:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

My torrent client is currently reporting 'No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it' for http://wp.cyllene.org:7397/announce (the SOS 2007 Wikipedia Selection torrent). DuncanHarris 13:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah there are some problems with it right now. It is an odd situation, we might switch back to TPB's tracker. Nominaladversary 00:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Still dead, any updates on this or shall we switch back to TPB? 14:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Why don't someone hook up with the Project Gutenberg group, since they support TORRENT to download their CD/DVD's. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 02:18, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Statistics[edit]

Well, not really, but there isn't any word to say what it exactly is. This page tells you how many seeders/leechers we have as well as how many completely downloads of the file have been achieved. If we had two torrents, I think it will show individual torrent statistics. Nominaladversary 23:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure if anyone's aware of this, but the toolserver has a bittorrent tracker for Wikimedia-related content. Shadow1(talk) 00:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh. I'll look into that, it'll be easier using the toolserver's bittorrent tracker than the one we use. Thanks! Nominaladversary 19:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Tracker dead[edit]

On Piratebay : http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3658466/Wikipedia_Release_Version_0.5 .. is that normal ? Kelson 10:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It's an older torrent, we use TPB's tracker for it. We might go back to that tracker for future use. Nominaladversary 00:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Gnutella[edit]

Probably a silly question (I apologize) but does the distribution through other file-sharing protocols and networks such as Gnutella fall within the scope of this project, and is it acceptable to do so? (Just wanted to verify.) --Shruti14 01:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Jeeze, it's been a while. MANY many months. a year? i have no idea. Gnutella works, however it won't be a focus, for now. However--Gnutella is also generally synonymous with Limewire, which i believe supports torrent files. I assume it is able to serve both torrent and Gnutella needs at the same time. Sorry for the super late response. More discussion as time goes on. Nominaladversary (talk) 00:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Version 0.7 release in the autumn?[edit]

We hope to be able to have Version 0.7 published by the autumn. It should be a release of around 20,000-30,000 articles. Will this work OK with a Torrent format? Can you be ready for October/November time? Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 07:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Autumn. lovely. the Torrent Project hasn't had much activity, I'm not too sure where everyone is right now. I think a torrent release should at least be attempted, however. I also think we should focus on one torrent file with one file type. If it's in CD (.iso) format, then we can just zip it (.zip is more widely used than .rar or .7zip) and use that in the torrent. If it's a collection of files, then a zipped file--again--should be used. I doubt we're healthy enough for a multi-format torrent release right now. Also ED2K link release should be ignored for now and be approached if the torrent version is healthy enough. Sorry Walkerma for the delayed response--much much too much has been going on. But I'll try to respond as fast as I can. Unfortunately things are still running my life into too many directions, but i will try to make a torrent release work. I believe a simple message to the village pump and what not can help us out for seeders. As for the tracker..we'll use one of the major public ones (TPB, demonoid, etc.).

For anyone else looking for a quick response: Yes, but 1 file only. Help (perhaps) needed.

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Sorry for the delay again. Thanks for getting around to the torrent project though! Nominaladversary (talk) 01:00, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, it looks like we'll have the basic selection of 30,000 done by the end of August. From that point, the clock starts ticking, and so publication/release in October/November looks likely (barring any major delays). We are again working with Linterweb and User:Kelson, so we can expect to use the kiwix server as we did with Version 0.5. I believe that BozMo will have a 2008 Children's Selection (around 6000 articles) ready around the same time, so it would be great if you can help to distribute both of these. Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 04:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Moving forward[edit]

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Things aren't really settled down yet, however, I'm going to try to get into touch with someone at BitTorrent, inc. so that a torrent release with substantial support can be legitimately available for the public, etc. Nominaladversary (talk) 18:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, we did have a couple of delays, but Version 0.7 should be ready for release pretty soon. I'm hoping to have an IRC discussion next week to discuss the final stages (I'll post info on the main 1.0 talk page soon). Would the Torrent project be ready to make this release available via BitTorrent by March? It will be available from the kiwix server, as with Version 0.5; the physical server is different, but User:Kelson will be coordinating it as we did with 0.5. After 0.7, I think we will be ready to start doing fairly regular releases - perhaps 0.8 by the fall. Please let us know what your plans are. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 17:38, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

March, March..yeah we can try something. Once again, we'll try generating some support, shout some words here and there. What works, works. Sorry for the late response, I'm below a couple of feet of work. Thanks for the update! Nominaladversary (talk) 07:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Revamp, Refocus, Renew, and Rebirth[edit]

Ok. We've been silent long enough. I'm taking actions to get us our own tracker back, some decent hosting if necessary, and possibly an external site (for reference, and exploration --take that anyway you want--). First of all, we need to address some things:

1. Focus/Goals
2. Seed/Upload base
3. Technical stuff

Focus/Goals[edit]

First, we need to change the main/must achieve/last hurrah goal of this project, or rather, make it the absolute focus..and that is, making a .torrent file of the current WP selection dvd, and providing an adequate download service. We should not move on to a ED2K focus until this goal is completed.

Seed/Upload base[edit]

This is possibly the biggest obstacle. We won't be able to have a decent alternative download source unless we have a large amount of people seeding the file, it is after all 3.5gb. Though the file size makes it ideal for a torrent release, we still need to make a base. Spreading the word is the first step, but we need to figure out how to maintain the base and offer reasons for further outreach. Let's contact bittorrent, inc, and all the big name torrent directories.

Idea, we're gonna use the direct source (Wherever its posted, kiwix, soschildrens.org) as a webseed, that'll help us out big time. It could simplify a lot too, maybe. Nominaladversary (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Technical Stuff[edit]

Trackers.Peers.Seeders.Magnet Links.Ratios.blah blah blah. The point is, what are the rules? What are the goals here? What formats? Why? Do we need to compress the image?

And that's that. We'll be slow to move at first, but we need to start somewhere. Yes, another school calender year has started, but we'll work around everything. Or something. Nominaladversary (talk) 00:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Great! User:JoeSmack offered to help with this, see here. The Version 0.7 release will be available in the next couple of days; we already have the ZIM file at http://tmp.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia_en_wp1_0.7_30000+_05_2009_beta1.zim , but that doesn't have an offline reader or a working topical index. You can expect some new developments at Wikimania next week - many of the interested parties are going to be there, so we should be able to move things forward a lot. I'll update people here and at WT:1.0. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 03:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE: I heard back from Kelson, who says (regarding Version 0.7), 'the ZIM file is natively readable/searchable with Kiwix. So as soon as you decided to make the release I will make the ZIM file available with FTP/HTTP/Bittorrent.' He also has a version of the 2008 Schools release, if you want to put that out at the same time. FYI: Kelson provided the server to start things off for the Version 0.5 Bittorrent release, so maybe this could be the base/starting seed? Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 19:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Kiwix has a description in French here (use Google Translate if you don't speak French), and there is an English FAQ. Walkerma (talk) 19:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

thanks for the update! If you could link the final file, for the most important release, we can take action. i think we should only focus on one torrent release for now, only to judge how big of a seeder base we can amass. thanks again. Nominaladversary (talk) 02:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, if someone puts a word into the signpost when it's up I bet we can get seeds up to something decent in fair order.. JoeSmack^Talk 19:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. School is taking up a lot of my time, I apologize for the lack of attentiveness. I'm almost positive I'll be able to seed 24/7, the web seed (once i figure out who I talk to for that) will help, and I'll be trying to contact Bittorrent, inc. Tracker possibility in about 2 weeks. Nominaladversary (talk) 04:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Change of focus[edit]

Seeing as the official-official and final releases is already torrent-able on the soschildren's website, we can assume that'll be their priority. All help is encouraged to their effort, however. Our focus shifts to every other release and broadening the audience to the project(via torrents of course!)--besides we don't wanna keep focus on just one place.. The new year is coming. Nominaladversary (talk) 01:42, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Clarification?[edit]

'There is no need to mirror download sites of torrents, we have that covered. But posts at dump sites (piratebay, torrentz) are encouraged.'

This sentence seems a bit ambiguous in meaning. I am not quite sure what it is saying. I also think that the entire page as a whole would be better if it were reorganized, but as I can't think of a better way to organize it, I shall leave that to someone else. Zell Faze (talk) 20:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Version 0.8[edit]

For those who watch mainly this page - we are putting together another general collection of around 45,000 articles, to be called Version 0.8. This will test out our ability to automate the version selection, this being the main problem and delay we had for Version 0.7. I expect Version 0.8 to be produced much more quickly - perhaps by October. We are having an IRC meeting on Thursday July 29th on distribution of this release - please consider coming if you can (see WT:1).

Also, we will be producing an updated version of Version 0.7 quite soon, to be called 0.701. I believe there may be another Schools release in the works soon, so watch for that too. Is there anyone here who is able to help organize torrents for these three collections? Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 03:39, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

UPDATE: We now have a selection of articles, and by this weekend (August 21st) we expect to see a list of revisionIDs to go with those articles. We will then consult with WikiProjects during September, and hopefully be ready to publish the selection in October. User:Kelson can start the seeding process from the Kiwix server - is there anyone here who can take the process from there? Walkerma (talk) 05:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

FURTHER UPDATE: The ZIM file should be ready by around December 15th. Are people here ready to work with User:Kelson to do the torrent next week? Walkerma (talk) 03:55, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

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I will help seed the torrent. Wizzy…☎ 09:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

We're still waiting on the ZIM file. I heard three days ago that it was almost ready. Walkerma (talk) 01:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

BETA AVAILABLE:The release mentioned above was rather buggy, but we think everything has been fixed now - see details. We're testing the beta version now, and hope to have the final release available in a week or two. I will try to recruit people to help with the Torrent. Anyone here able to help? Walkerma (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

FINAL RELEASE NOW AVAILABLE:There is a Kiwix torrent file now available:

For the ZIM file without the reader software:

Please can you start the seeding etc? Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 08:24, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, please can you update the Torrent project page with the appropriate links? Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 08:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Co-coordinator[edit]

Admittedly I haven't been the most active in recent months (didn't even realize it was my WikiBirthday because I haven't been logged in). However, given the wikibreak of the coordinator, I would like to request as a ClearBits content uploader that I help as a co or acting coordinator until we hear more from our main coordinator.--Ipatrol (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

That would be great! We should have Version 0.8 ready for release in October (see above), but it's been awfully quiet on this page recently..! We'd really appreciate it if you could organise the torrent part of the release. Walkerma (talk) 21:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm at http://www.clearbits.net/creators/149-ipatrol if you want to follow me. Right now I'm writing a program to compile the articles listed in a CSV file on the toolserver into an offline collection. I use Python and python-wikitools so if anyone is willing to help me, I'll put it on Github and add you to the project.

Cheers. --Ipatrol (talk) 13:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

That's great that we have someone! We will be contacting the WikiProjects soon, probably tomorrow, with our proposed list. Once we've got feedback from them (in the next month or so), we'll get the release prepared for Kiwix and Okawix releases. As for your offline collection, are you creating an OpenZIM file? Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 01:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Where does one actually buy a CD-ROM set containing Wikipedia Articles?[edit]

Hello! I am probably asking this question in the wrong place .. If you look at my editorial contributions, I just started, and I began on a fundraising page. I was making a proposal for the WMF to sell hard drives loaded with the encyclopedia. Then I got sent over here. I found a 'donor' who would help the WMF get this proposal going. These pages are so detailed, I really don't understand what is currently available. Can you direct me to the correct place, please? LadyJosie (talk) 17:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Oliver Jonas Queen, Ollie to his friends, is known far and wide as the DC Comics hero Green Arrow. For years, he's battled evil on his own, in the company of friends, with loyal -- if troubled -- sidekicks, or as a member of the Justice League. Now, after over seventy years of crime-fighting and a rising presence in the pop culture landscape thanks to The CW's hit series 'Arrow,' Comic Book Resources takes a look at over seven decades of Ollie's crusade against crime.

THE GOLDEN AGE

The Green Arrow debuted alongside his sidekick Speedy in 'More Fun Comics' #73, published in 1941 during the era known as the Golden Age of Comics. Readers were introduced to wealthy Oliver Queen and his teen buddy Roy Harper, who lived with him and was later revealed to be Oliver's ward, masked heroes who took down the criminals of Star City with trick arrows. The stories featured a plethora of Arrow-based equipment, including as the Arrowplane and Arrowcar which the crime fighters kept in the Arrowcave. At times, they were even summoned into action by an Arrow-Signal that flashed through the sky.

In 1943's 'More Fun Comics' #89, the Batman and Robin-esque duo received their official origin story. 'The Birth of the Battling Bowmen' was a flashback tale featuring Ollie before his career as GA. Turns out, Mr. Queen was a museum curator and an archeologist specializing in Native American cultures and hunting techniques. After his museum is burned down by criminals, a distraught Oliver journeys to the isolated Lost Mesa to search for artifacts.

There, Ollie finds Roy Harper, survivor of a plane crash that killed his parents. Fortunately, the Harper family's Native American servant Quoag also survived the crash, teaching the kid archery and other skills so they may survive on Lost Mesa. Unfortunately, Ollie's been followed by criminals who believe he can lead them to hidden Native American treasures. They wind up killing Quoag, so Ollie and Roy use their archery skills to fight the evil men who are soon conveniently crushed to death by a big golden idol (statistically, the 37th most common death for comic book thieves).

With Quoag's killers done away with, and having apparently no other family, Roy adopts Ollie as his new guardian and the two decide to embark upon a career fighting crime as bowmen. Inspired by a few remarks the dead criminals had made, they adopt the personas of 'Green Arrow' and 'Speedy.'

THE SILVER AGE

In 1956, DC Comics inadvertently began the Silver Age of Comics when it introduced a new Flash. Whereas the Golden Age Flash had been a college student named Jay Garrick, the Silver Age Flash was a police scientist (or in today's parlance, a CSI) named Barry Allen who, while his powers were similar, wore a different costume and had a different origin. DC introduced several other rebooted superheroes, giving familiar names and powers to new characters. But unlike the new Flash, new Green Lantern and new Atom, DC did not introduce new secret identities for Green Arrow or Speedy. They remained Oliver Queen and Roy Harper; they just had different origins.

Together with writer Ed Herron, comic book legend Jack Kirby presented a new Silver Age origin for the jade bowman in 1958's 'Adventure Comics' #250. The new continuity stated that Green Arrow had originally operated alone and didn't meet Roy or recruit him as Speedy until after he was already established as a famous hero. In 'The Green Arrow's First Case,' Ollie explained to Roy his origins -- a wealthy playboy, Ollie Queen is on his yacht one night when he accidentally falls overboard (as you do). Oliver makes his way to the deserted Starfish Island and realizes he's stranded.

Ollie makes a makeshift bow and arrow, spending months developing archery and other skills to survive. To camouflage himself while hunting small game, he uses what he can to make a dark green costume that looks not unlike Robin Hood. He also develops several trick arrows to help him achieve various purposes.

Eventually, Ollie sees a nearby freighter and swims out to it, but then realizes that the ship is being taken over by mutineers. Quickly rubbing some grease around his eyes to form a mask, Ollie springs into action saves the ship. Realizing he's pretty good at fighting evil with the skills he learned on the island, he dubs himself Green Arrow and begins leading a double life.

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As for Speedy, readers eventually found out that much like his Golden Age counterpart, he had survived a plane crash that killed his parents. However, this time he is subsequently raised on a reservation and mentored by Chief Thunderhead. Thunderhead eventually tells Roy to leave the reservation and seek out his own destiny. Roy joins up with Ollie and is called 'Speedy' because he is so quick at shooting arrows.

Later, Speedy's origin was severely ret-conned -- he had been two years old when his single father, forest ranger Roy Harper Sr., died while saving a Navajo reservation from a major fire. Roy Sr. had personally saved the life of medicine chief Brave Bow, who took in the orphaned Roy and raised him, encouraging his natural skill for archery and marksmanship. Eventually, Green Arrow meets Brave Bow when the man's health is failing and takes the teenaged Roy under his wing.

GA eventually got a new costume and grew a van dyke beard, enhancing his resemblance to Robin Hood while also making it more unbelievable that he could maintain a secret identity with only a mask and a hat. In the 1970s, the character took a severely dramatic turn when he lost his fortune and became a hero more concerned about street crime and the struggles of the average American rather than battling super-villains and aliens alongside the Justice League.

Despite this newly-grounded approach to crime fighting, GA still employed trick weapons such as net arrows and boxing glove arrows. Ollie also developed a close friendship with Hal Jordan (Green Lantern) and a relationship with Dinah Laurel Lance, aka Black Canary. Speedy became a heroin addict and, although he found his way into recovery, he worked less and less with his mentor.

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Time passed and new wrinkles were added to Green Arrow's origin. In 1959's 'Adventure Comics' #258, we learn that a teenage Oliver Queen had spent some time in Smallville, where he got to know a young Clark Kent. Thanks to a device called a Time Telescope, Clark was fully aware the Ollie would one day grow up to become Green Arrow and decided to give the kid a small push in that direction.

When the Smallville history pageant rolls around, Clark convinces Ollie to dress as Green Arrow. Criminals show up, and Clark tries to get Oliver to aid him in stopping them -- but the kid is no good at archery. The criminals are brought to justice, but Queen leaves convinced he'll never be a good archer.

In 1971, 'Justice League of America' #94 introduced a villainous archer assassin named Merlyn to the DC Universe. When he was still a teenager (evidently some time after leaving Smallville), Ollie had found himself to take up archery by the famous exploits of expert archer Merlyn. (It was implied that this was not the archer's real name, that he was simply called 'Merlyn the Magician' because of his incredible skill.) When Oliver became the Green Arrow, Merlyn challenged him to a public contest, proved that he was still the better archer and then vanished from the public eye.

In the pages of the Justice League story, it turns out that Merlyn eventually found himself employed by the League of Assassins, a deadly organization headed by Batman's terrorist enemy Ra's al Ghul. Merlyn accepted a contract on Batman's life, but Green Arrow stopped him, with the assassin admitting that GA has become the better archer. In the years that followed, Merlyn appeared time and time again to plague the Justice League and other heroes, sometimes deliberately taking jobs that would ensure yet another contest of skill against the Green Arrow.

POST-CRISIS ORIGIN

Just as when the Silver Age began, DC Comics decided to start fresh in the mid 1980s, rebooting its entire line of comics and characters with the crossover story 'Crisis on Infinite Earths.' The maxi-series led to changes line-wide, allowing creators to throw out some continuity in an attempt at modernizing familiar characters.

Mike Grell's long run as the main writer behind Green Arrow began with a miniseries titled 'The Longbow Hunters.' Grell made it very clear that his vision of Green Arrow sometimes employed lethal tactics and whose adventures were strongly grounded in reality. Ollie did not associate with super-powered heroes in bright costumes. In fact, the emerald vigilante, now in his 40s, actually looked back on his days of using trick arrows and flying around in Arrowplanes as a waste of time, a distraction from truly worthwhile fights. With the exception of a few flashbacks to his origin, Ollie (whose identity as an adventurer was now known to the general public) never referred to himself as Green Arrow, nor did other characters in Grell's story use this name. Further cementing the realistic approach to the character, Grell moved Ollie out of the fictional Star City, relocating him to Seattle.

Black Canary suffered serious injuries in 'The Longbow Hunters,' resulting in her losing her superhuman 'canary cry,' adjusting her power set to better fit with Grell's new, realistic take. Roy Harper wasn't present, pursuing instead his own adventures alongside the Teen Titans, dropping the name 'Speedy' for the new alias 'Arsenal.'

In 'The Longbow Hunters,' Grell presented readers with a new origin story that was later expanded in 'Secret Origins' vol. 2 #38 (1989) and in the miniseries 'Green Arrow: The Wonder Year' (1993). Grell's Oliver Queen was a wealthy man who parties hard but is also a self-described workaholic, doing his best to build up Queen Industries. This version of Ollie is personal friends with Howard Hill, an expert archer and stuntman who worked on, among other films, 'The Adventures of Robin Hood' starring Errol Flynn. On a yacht party Ollie is throwing, he mentions to Hill that as a boy he used to practice archery and pretend he was Robin Hood. He's thought about taking it up again, but he 'can't seem to get out of the office.' The yachting trip is, in fact, the first vacation he's allowed himself in six years.

That night, a drunken Olliver Queen falls over the side of the boat. Disoriented, he swims to a nearby island and quickly discovers that he is the only person there. Cobbling together a bow and arrow, he learns to survive on the island where he remains for over two months, honing a natural talent for archery. When he discovers a pair of men arriving on the island to check on their secret marijuana crop, Ollie forces them to take him back to civilization, delivering them to the police along the way. The newspapers reports that a modern-day Robin Hood, armed with bow and arrow, brought the criminals to justice.

In the days that follow, Ollie finds himself bored with the daily routine of city life. He searches for challenges, such as shooting arrows at golf balls, but remains unsatisfied. Dressing up as a masked Robin Hood for a costume party, complete with fake beard, Ollie winds up confronting and defeating a criminal who crashes the event. The criminal doesn't recognize the costume, so when he later describes the man who stopped him, he refers to Queen as 'that big, green, arrow guy.'

Dubbed 'Green Arrow' by the newspapers, Ollie decides that being a crime-fighter is actually rather fun and will be a great cure for his boredom, stating 'God knows I haven't got anything better to do.' Despite the fact that he hates the name Green Arrow, Queen can't escape his new media nickname. Eventually, GA decides to continue his crime-fighting activities due to the satisfaction he gets from helping people.

Despite Grell's overall success with the character, 'Green Arrow: The Wonder Year' didn't stick for long as the character's definitive origin. By 1994, DC Comics moved GA back into its superhero world full of colorful characters, introducing Connor Hawke, Ollie's illegitimate son who was not as good an archer as his father, but was a better fighter. Eventually, Ollie was killed and Connor became the new Green Arrow.

METAHUMAN POWERS

Just two years after 'The Wonder Year,' DC published yet another version of Ollie's origin in 'Green Arrow Annual' #7. Written by Chuck Dixon, Ollie, and Connor by inheritance, were determined by DC editorial to be metahuman, someone born with the latent potential for super-powers (usually not coming out unless some outside factor is involved, like chemicals or radiation). As Dixon later commented, 'Connor inherited some of his father's metahuman abilities. Ollie's took the form of remarkable (and near infallible) marksmanship. Connor's took the form of his talents in martial arts. The metahuman deal for Ollie and Connor was editorially driven.. Love it or hate it, DC's idea was to make both GAs more like superheroes and less like one-trick ponies.'

The story told in 'Green Arrow Annual' #7 seems familiar, but has some new twists. Ollie is still the hard-partying playboy who gets drunk and falls off his own yacht, but this time, someone sees Ollie in the water, deliberately deciding not help because Queen is a jerk to many. Ollie's exile is now partly caused by his own sins and arrogance coming back at him.

Finding himself on an island, Oliver knows he needs to hunt to survive and puts together a bow and arrow. To his shock, he is hitting everything with perfect accuracy, despite only having used a bow once before as a child, though even then it was with deadly, expert accuracy.

Dixon never outright said that Oliver was a metahuman, and while a couple of characters later referred to Connor as a metahuman, it was never overtly verified. Thus, some readers decided to conclude that Ollie was simply a prodigy with archery and Connor with martial arts in the same way Mozart was with the piano, not that they possessed any superhuman talent.

Another major change in the origin was the notion that Ollie hadn't been alone on the island. Dixon's tale has the hero meeting another exile, a murderer named Nicholas Kotero. Realizing the man's true nature, Queen battles and defeats Kotero, but refuses to kill him, further pushing the hero away from the Grell interpretation. Rather than deciding to become a hero after he returns to civilization, Ollie makes the decision because of Kotero. As he tells the killer, '[T]here's a lot of animals like you out there. Maybe there's a need for a swashbuckler in this world.'

Ollie leaves Kotero stranded on the island where they met and makes his way to the nearby Starfish Island, where he remains until finding marijuana farmers. In the overhauled origin, Ollie has been missing for close to six months rather than two, and when Queen brings the drug farmers to justice, he proudly identifies himself as 'Green Arrow.'

In 1999, 'JLA 80-Page Giant' #2 included a short story written by Christopher Priest. Taking place during Ollie's early days as Green Arrow, it revealed that the archer was also initially heavily inspired by his admiration of Batman (though he never admitted this to the Dark Knight in person). 'I'd heard Batman had a car. And a plane. And a cave. So guess what? Green Arrow had a car, and a plane, and a cave. And he had about as much use for them as Greenpeace had for Big Oil.'

In 2001, writer and filmmaker Kevin Smith officially (and literally) resurrected the previously-dead Oliver Queen in 'Quiver.' There, it was firmly stated by the Spectre, an angelic force of vengeance with mystic knowledge and insight, that Ollie was not a metahuman, ending the debate once and for all. Anyone who had called Connor Hawke a metahuman had merely made an assumption or misspoke, the same way some characters have assumed Batman is a metahuman or a supernatural entity.

'Quiver' also introduced Mia Dearden, a young prostitute who became Ollie's new sidekick, becoming the second hero to adopt the name Speedy. Mia grew very close to Oliver, seeing him as a big brother. Even after discovering she was HIV-positive, she continued her crime-fighting, dealing with the side effects of antiretroviral drugs and making sure to be extra careful about injuries.

YEAR ONE

Oliver Queen's origin was revised and expanded in the 2007 miniseries 'Green Arrow: Year One,' written by Andy Diggle with art by Jock. In this version, Ollie is not seen as a workaholic who plays hard but is a man in his twenties, desperately seeking purpose since losing his parents as a child, pursuing high-risk adventures in the hopes that he'll figure out his direction. Acting as his guide and protector in these pursuits is Hackett, his bodyman. In this version, Ollie is a fan of archery who as a child took lessons from Howard Hill, who remarked that the boy was 'a natural bowman - the best he'd ever seen.' Attending an auction with Hackett, Oliver happily bids on and wins Hill's bow and arrow set.

The night of the auction, Oliver agrees to give a large sum of money to Hackett to help in a business venture with a woman he's worked with before, named Chen Na Wei (whom Oliver keeps calling 'China White'). Ollie, deciding he needs a break from Star City and Queen Industries, insists on joining Hackett on his trip to Fiji. They are aboard his yacht, Pacific Queen, when Hackett reveals that China White is actually a major crime lord and that the trip is a cover for him to bring her Queen's money. Since Ollie insisted on coming, he's now a loose end that has to die. After a fight, Hackett finds he can't outright shoot Ollie. Instead, trusting he's too injured to save himself, Hackett pushes the man overboard.

Oliver makes his way to a nearby island and first despairs, concluding that Hackett will have no trouble convincing the world that the irresponsible playboy/adventurer simply got drunk and fell off his own yacht. Discovering the ruins of a nearby village, Oliver realizes he has the supplies to help him survive. He figures out a system for clean water and constructs a bow and arrow set to help him hunt. All of his arrows use green feathers from parrots on the island. After suffering from heatstroke and sunburn, he uses some green canvas to make a hood for protection.

Oliver realizes he is a skilled hunter, finding a new power and freedom in his exile. After several months, he discovers an extinct volcano on the island secretly houses an opium field controlled by China White, maintained through slave labor thanks to the surviving native villagers. For the next several weeks, Ollie fights White's operation on the island, and Hackett as well. Despite his anger at what they've done, Ollie decides he will not kill Hackett or China White, believing it better to bring them to justice. Due to his arrows often being the only remaining evidence of his presence, the villagers call Oliver 'Auu Lanu Lau'ava,' which translates to 'Green Arrow.'

After reconnecting with civilization and turning China White over to the authorities, Oliver realizes that the freed slaves could come under major media scrutiny if the story of his adventures gets out. He decides that when he speaks to the press, he will downplay his adventures, saying he was alone on the island and found passage back to the mainland when he clashed with 'rowdy mutineers, or a couple of stoner hippies growing weed or something.' He also realizes that his recent experiences have given him the purpose in life he longed for, opting to use his new Green Arrow identity to fight evil, not because it's exciting but because he truly wants to help others.

SMALLVILLE TV SERIES

For ten seasons, the CW network's 'Smallville' chronicled the life of a young Clark Kent (played by Tom Welling) as he learned the lessons needed to become Superman. Along the way, this version of Clark encountered many others who became superheroes before he ever donned a cape. One such hero was Oliver Queen (played by Justin Hartley). Clark soon discovered that Ollie was the Green Arrow, a clean-shaven vigilante who used trick arrows and disguised himself with high-tech sunglasses, a hood and a miniature voice changer. Eventually, the audience learned more about Ollie's origins and motives. Some of this information was revealed in 'The Oliver Queen Chronicles,' short, animated stories that aired during Season 6 and which fans could view on Sprint cellphones.

As a child, the Queens and the Luthors are associates on certain special projects, including preparing for the arrival of the 'Traveler,' an alien from the planet Krypton. Lionel Luthor, Lex's father, wants to shape the alien's destiny by himself and kills the Queens (and others) to ensure this. Oliver, unaware that his parents' death is anything beyond an unfortunate plane crash, attends the same boarding school as Lex, where he often bullies the young Luthor. After graduation, Ollie sails off with friends in a private yacht to the area where his parents' plane went down, hoping to finally say goodbye to them.

When pirates attack the yacht, Oliver uses limited skills with archery to fend them off and escapes into the water, making his way to a nearby island. Soon after his arrival, Ollie meets a tribe of natives and lives with them for three months, honing his archery skills. He also finds the wreckage of his parents' plane, along with a letter his mother had written the night of their deaths.

After roughly two years on the island, Ollie finds new arrivals when he stumbles upon drug runners and their prisoner Tess Mercer. Working together, the two defeat the criminals and return to civilization, with Ollie heading back to Star City. For the next year, he continues to improve his fighting and archery skills by joining a cult of Celtic archers led by Vordigan, the Dark Archer. Unwilling to compromise his principles in order to follow Vordigan's lethal methods, Ollie leaves the cult and vows to be a hero instead, creating the identity of Green Arrow. Along with fighting crime, he dedicates himself to stopping Lex Luthor, who has become a criminal mastermind.

In 'Smallville,' Oliver develops a strong friendship with Clark Kent and often pushes the future Superman to expand his horizons, believing that the Kryptonian's incredible power can help people beyond Kansas. In a nod to the comics, Oliver once used the alias 'Roy Connor.'

THE NEW 52

In 2011, DC Comics rebooted its entire superhero universe, canceling every title and premiering 52 new and relaunched titles. Dubbed the 'New 52,' the new timeline declared Superman's debut as Earth's first public hero as happening roughly six years ago, soon followed by the appearance of Batman and other heroes. This led to the Justice League forming only 'five years ago' (although recent Batman comics have said that a year has passed since the New 52 began, so I guess Superman now appeared almost seven years ago and the League formed six.. forget it).

In the relaunched 'Green Arrow' series, Ollie is a young man in his twenties, still pretty new to the hero game. He works for Q-Core, the technological arm of Queen Industries, a limited role until he proves he's worthy of inheriting his dead father's company. In secret, he has a small team of allies who help him as Green Arrow, maintaining his armor and equipment, as well as feeding him intel during missions. When questioned about his motives, Ollie remarks that he is fighting crime because once he stood by and did nothing when lives were at risk.

Readers get some idea of Oliver's origins in the pages of 'Green Arrow' #0, written by Judd Winick. A few years back, 19-year-old Ollie is put in charge of one of his father's oil rigs and decides to throw a party. Among his guests is his good friend Tommy Merlyn, who mocks Oliver's archery skills, pointing out that he's not as good as he should be considering he's been taking professional lessons for weeks. Ollie's girlfriend Leeana also points out that part of his immaturity and party attitude is due to his feelings that there is a war between him and his still-living father.

Unfortunately, Ollie's party means that security is lightened, allowing a super-villain named Iron Eagle to appear and wreak havoc on the rig. Initially, Ollie and Merlyn hide while Iron Eagle's actions result in several deaths, the survivors taken as hostages with bombs attached to them. Iron Eagle claims he'll release the hostages once he and his men have taken all the oil they want, as he has done before on other oil rigs.

Realizing that the breach in security is his fault and feeling guilt for the deaths that have happened so far, Oliver grabs a pair of sunglasses and his bow and arrow set to stop Iron Eagle, despite Tommy's protests that he doesn't know what he's doing.

Unfortunately, Oliver's rash actions lead to the bombs going off, killing Leena and all the other hostages as the rig is destroyed. Only Ollie and Merlin survive the blast, the latter suffering serious burns on his body. Merlyn remarks that he now understand Ollie's flawed nature and that these people won't be the last who die because of him.

Ollie then winds up on a deserted island, using his archery skills and makeshift equipment to survive. He is there for close to a year before returning to civilization and Queens Industries, now determined to help people. Exactly what happened to Merlyn after the oil rig blast has not yet been revealed, though we've seen the older Merlyn acting as an archer assassin in the pages of 'Batman, Incorporated.'

A year or so after the incident on the oil rig, Ollie finds a teen criminal named Roy Harper and bails him out of jail. Ollie says he needs Roy's help, as the kid knows how to hack technology and is excellent with weaponry. Despite the teen's criminal record, Ollie says, 'I think everyone could use an opportunity to make things right.' The full nature of their partnership in the New 52 and how long they worked together has not been revealed.

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As for how Ollie got off the island, that's still a mystery in this new continuity, but it seems Aquaman may have been responsible. In the pages of 'Justice League' #8, GA declares his desire to join the team of heroes and winds up tagging along on a few adventures. When his efforts to join become a habit, Aquaman remarked, 'We don't need your help, Arrow,' to which Queen responded, 'And I didn't need yours to get off that island.'

There are still quite a few questions about our hero in the New 52, particularly since 'Green Arrow' #0 only spent one page showing Oliver on the island.

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NO GREEN. JUST 'ARROW.'

In 2012, the CW premiered a new show based on Oliver's adventures. Created partially due to the popularity the character had on 'Smallville,' rather than simply spinning green Arrow into a new series, 'Arrow' started from scratch. Oliver Queen, played by Stephen Amell, is once again a young man, but now both of his parents were alive when he's in his twenties. He is no longer an only child, but has a sister named Thea, whom Ollie nicknamed 'Speedy' when she was a child.

This Oliver is dating Dinah Laurel Lance, though here she is not the vigilante called Black Canary but instead works in law and refers to herself as Laurel. Ollie is also friends with Tommy Merlyn, who likewise comes from a well to do family, and his home is now called Starling City rather than Star City.

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'Arrow's' origin story is unfolding through flashbacks, revealing more with each passing episode. So far we know this: Ollie is on a yacht with his father Robert, Laurel's sister Sarah (whom he's secretly seeing), and several others. A storm causes the ship to crash. Later, on the lifeboat, Robert says he has not been a good man and that Oliver must atone for his sins. He then shoots himself to ensure there are enough rations for his son. Ollie eventually lands on a seemingly deserted island that he later discovers is called Purgatory. There, he quickly meets a hooded archer named Yao Fei who teaches him how to survive, saving his life from a group of criminals and assassins camped out on the island. Many things happen to Ollie on the island, where he was stranded for five years, significantly longer than his exile in the comics or on 'Smallville.' While burying his father, Oliver discovers a list of major criminals Robert was involved with, people who are at the heart of the corruption in Starling City.

When he is discovered and brought back to civilization, Oliver dedicates himself to eliminating the criminals on his father's list, freeing his city from their influence and making up for whatever evil his father aided. He dons a hooded costume and uses the combat and archery skills he learned on the island in his quest for justice. This Oliver has no qualms about killing his targets or their henchmen, particularly when his secret identity is at risk. This comes to haunt him in later episodes as he sees how friends react to his lethal tactics and meets another vigilante motivated by revenge. He also begins to consider the possibility that he can help the city by also targeting street crime and not simply those on his father's list.

No one refers to Oliver as Green Arrow or by any other official name on 'Arrow.' Various people refer to him as 'the guy in the hood,' 'the hood' or 'the Starling City vigilante.' Whether or not we'll see a live-action version of Speedy acting as a sidekick or Tommy Merlyn picking up a bow and arrow of his own all remains to be seen.

DC continues to publish the ongoing monthly 'Green Arrow' comic book series and Oliver Queen will soon be found in the pages of Justice League of America,' relaunching next year. 'Arrow' airs Wednesdays on the CW.

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